Dhan Nirankar Ji,
as the topic has been started, daasi would like to clear my doubt also.
my mother-in-law was blessed with this divine knowledge ( gyaan ) at a very young age when she used to attend sangat along with her mother.
but lately she started going to some other satsang, and now it has been many years. though i can actually see her doing all the good karmas like she is always filled with love, she always thanx this Almighty God for everything etc.
so should i ask her or motivate her to attend our satsang or it doesnot matter as she is doing what is most needed now?
please enlighten me with your precious thoughts
dust of your feet
Dr. Pooja
From: Harmohinder Singh Bhatia <upashak@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, 19 April, 2010 1:09:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Divine Souls:4665] Will of Nirankar
Dear Saints
Dhan Nirankar ji.Two biggest faiths in world chrichianty and Islam do not believe in recarnation.From last 30 years I have learnt from Baba Hardev ji not to talk too much which we can not prove which is imagination or only written in few scriptures. We do not need to enter into any controversy since we have enough to talk about love etc.Nirankars will is that man should become a good human no more no less. His will is he has blessed us with wisdom. We all understand good and bad. Let us become a true devotee and full fill his wish.
Upashak
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:19:55 +0530
Subject: Re: [Divine Souls:4662] Will of Nirankar
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Dhan Nirankarji
First let me tell you a small story in one instance a family was traveling in a bullock cart and their family dog was following a bullock cart, after some time when it was noon and weather was too hot the family dog went under the bullock cart behind the bullocks so as to avoid scorching heat, after some time the dog started to think that he was pulling the bullock cart, where as actually the bullocks are pulling the cart. In the same way all things which are happening whether good or bad are happening only as per the wish of Nirankar
What das means to say is that almost all of us even before and even after taking gyan many times think in the same manner as that of the dog in above story.
Because we are living in this materialistic world on many instances we develop a feeling of doership (hamare main karta ka bhav a jaata hain) we start to have a feeling that we are doing a particular thing where as in actual fact what
each and every individual or each and every living being is doing in any part of this universe is only being done by Nirankar
After developing a feeling of doership when we remember this gyan or go to satsang or exchange thoughts we tend to remember that yes we are not doing things
So when people come to the mission and take gyan - yes Nirankar is doing it when after some time due to any reason they go away from satsang - yes nirankar is doing it, and when some one raises thoughts to bring them back - yes nirankar is doing it
Please remember one fact this complete universe there are more than billion of souls and each soul has a mind and each mind has a thinking ability, it is nirankar which gives a particular thought to each individual at any point of time, the soul does not give a thought to the mind
To understand this you have to understand the total cycle of births which a soul has to take from the moment / instance when it was first created by the nirankar till the moment it actually merges back with nirankar. During this span each soul passes through number of life forms
-- Plant form - which are static forms
-- Animal form -- which is bhog yoni
-- Human Form -- which is karma yoni
Each soul when it was first created / seperated by Nirankar begins it's journey in this universe at the bottom (in the same manner as a small child always goes to kindergarden first and never to 10th std first) and with completion of each life form a soul eventually reaches the human life form
In static life form the soul in plant form is static here a soul is unable to move but it spreads and in this life form God / Nirankar teaches the soul to do deeds for benefit of others without expectation of any returns (in this life form me soul learns to do paropkar)
Animal life form is bhod yoni, where the soul spends its entire life on searching for food learning to live in adversities of nature, learning to overcome the opposition in bhog yoni the soul learns the art of sex the soul has a mind. During this journey in animal form the soul learns vices - Kaam, Krodh, Lobh Moh & Abhiman (sexual urge, anger, greed, ego etc)
Eventually a soul takes a human life form - this is Karm Yoni. so the soul has a form of body which can act, the soul has a mind and the mind begins to have wishes. In this life form the mind has carried forward all the bad vices which it has earned in animal form that means the mind is full of bad vices Kaam, Krodh, Lobh Moh & Abhiman (sexual urge, anger, greed, ego etc)
In the first life of soul in human form the mind is full of these bad vices and it has unfulfilled wishes, the human being then work / do the karma to fulfill these wishes, as one wish is full filled the 2nd wish rises and each soul has to take rebirths in human form until all its wishes are fulfilled, in the end the soul becomes pure it does not have any unfulfilled / unaccomplished wish, then it is pure and then only the soul achieves the freedom and merges with this Nirankar
So Nirankar will always ensure that each soul ultimately becomes pure and merges with it, each soul gets liberated.
So in this complex journey in human form the soul does Karma and for each Karma the soul earns +/- credits depending on the type of karma done if the karma done does good for all concerned then the soul earns +ve credits and if the karma done does any harm to any one then the soul earns negative credits. All these credits are maintained in the ledger of the nirankar in the same manner as bank maintains our account in bank ledger
The soul faces good and easy life as long as + ve credits are there and if at any time +ve credits are exhausted the soul faces rough weather, faces difficulties (difficulties related to tan, maan or dhan)
So based on this ledger the nirankar gets each soul to work or do karma, please note that even when some one is doing bad karma, actually nirankar is doing it for long term benefit of the concerned soul because the ultimate objective of the nirankar is to ensure that each soul gets liberated.
So in the end you will realize that all things which happen in this universe are happening only due to will of the Nirankar
Please note that these are not my thoughts, das to always urges babaji and all above thoughts are his, still if any of these thoughts have hurt you please forgive das
Dhan Nirankarji
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From: Harmohinder Singh Bhatia <upashak@hotmail.com>
To: samir.rokadia@gmail.com; jai-dev@hotmail.com
Cc: nisha.gulwani@gmail.com; divine_souls@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 April, 2010 1:09:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Divine Souls:4665] Will of Nirankar
Dear Saints
Dhan Nirankar ji.Two biggest faiths in world chrichianty and Islam do not believe in recarnation.From last 30 years I have learnt from Baba Hardev ji not to talk too much which we can not prove which is imagination or only written in few scriptures. We do not need to enter into any controversy since we have enough to talk about love etc.Nirankars will is that man should become a good human no more no less. His will is he has blessed us with wisdom. We all understand good and bad. Let us become a true devotee and full fill his wish.
Upashak
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:19:55 +0530
Subject: Re: [Divine Souls:4662] Will of Nirankar
From: samir.rokadia@gmail.com
To: jai-dev@hotmail.com
CC: nisha.gulwani@gmail.com; divine_souls@googlegroups.com
Tu Hi Nirankar Main Tere Sharan Ha Mainu Baksh Lo
Dhan Nirankarji
First let me tell you a small story in one instance a family was traveling in a bullock cart and their family dog was following a bullock cart, after some time when it was noon and weather was too hot the family dog went under the bullock cart behind the bullocks so as to avoid scorching heat, after some time the dog started to think that he was pulling the bullock cart, where as actually the bullocks are pulling the cart. In the same way all things which are happening whether good or bad are happening only as per the wish of Nirankar
What das means to say is that almost all of us even before and even after taking gyan many times think in the same manner as that of the dog in above story.
Because we are living in this materialistic world on many instances we develop a feeling of doership (hamare main karta ka bhav a jaata hain) we start to have a feeling that we are doing a particular thing where as in actual fact what
each and every individual or each and every living being is doing in any part of this universe is only being done by Nirankar
After developing a feeling of doership when we remember this gyan or go to satsang or exchange thoughts we tend to remember that yes we are not doing things
So when people come to the mission and take gyan - yes Nirankar is doing it when after some time due to any reason they go away from satsang - yes nirankar is doing it, and when some one raises thoughts to bring them back - yes nirankar is doing it
Please remember one fact this complete universe there are more than billion of souls and each soul has a mind and each mind has a thinking ability, it is nirankar which gives a particular thought to each individual at any point of time, the soul does not give a thought to the mind
To understand this you have to understand the total cycle of births which a soul has to take from the moment / instance when it was first created by the nirankar till the moment it actually merges back with nirankar. During this span each soul passes through number of life forms
-- Plant form - which are static forms
-- Animal form -- which is bhog yoni
-- Human Form -- which is karma yoni
Each soul when it was first created / seperated by Nirankar begins it's journey in this universe at the bottom (in the same manner as a small child always goes to kindergarden first and never to 10th std first) and with completion of each life form a soul eventually reaches the human life form
In static life form the soul in plant form is static here a soul is unable to move but it spreads and in this life form God / Nirankar teaches the soul to do deeds for benefit of others without expectation of any returns (in this life form me soul learns to do paropkar)
Animal life form is bhod yoni, where the soul spends its entire life on searching for food learning to live in adversities of nature, learning to overcome the opposition in bhog yoni the soul learns the art of sex the soul has a mind. During this journey in animal form the soul learns vices - Kaam, Krodh, Lobh Moh & Abhiman (sexual urge, anger, greed, ego etc)
Eventually a soul takes a human life form - this is Karm Yoni. so the soul has a form of body which can act, the soul has a mind and the mind begins to have wishes. In this life form the mind has carried forward all the bad vices which it has earned in animal form that means the mind is full of bad vices Kaam, Krodh, Lobh Moh & Abhiman (sexual urge, anger, greed, ego etc)
In the first life of soul in human form the mind is full of these bad vices and it has unfulfilled wishes, the human being then work / do the karma to fulfill these wishes, as one wish is full filled the 2nd wish rises and each soul has to take rebirths in human form until all its wishes are fulfilled, in the end the soul becomes pure it does not have any unfulfilled / unaccomplished wish, then it is pure and then only the soul achieves the freedom and merges with this Nirankar
So Nirankar will always ensure that each soul ultimately becomes pure and merges with it, each soul gets liberated.
So in this complex journey in human form the soul does Karma and for each Karma the soul earns +/- credits depending on the type of karma done if the karma done does good for all concerned then the soul earns +ve credits and if the karma done does any harm to any one then the soul earns negative credits. All these credits are maintained in the ledger of the nirankar in the same manner as bank maintains our account in bank ledger
The soul faces good and easy life as long as + ve credits are there and if at any time +ve credits are exhausted the soul faces rough weather, faces difficulties (difficulties related to tan, maan or dhan)
So based on this ledger the nirankar gets each soul to work or do karma, please note that even when some one is doing bad karma, actually nirankar is doing it for long term benefit of the concerned soul because the ultimate objective of the nirankar is to ensure that each soul gets liberated.
So in the end you will realize that all things which happen in this universe are happening only due to will of the Nirankar
Please note that these are not my thoughts, das to always urges babaji and all above thoughts are his, still if any of these thoughts have hurt you please forgive das
Dhan Nirankarji
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Jaidev Nanwani <jai-dev@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dhan Nirankar Ji
with reference to you question, i interpret your question
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"So, my question is, in this case also there is will of Nirankar?"
as
Is this the will of Nirankar that some saints who have taken gyan, have left the mission?
If i understand this question correctly, the answer to this is as follows.
Imagine yourself facing a river. You can chose to swim, sail, fly over it, maybe take a bridge to pass through to it or in this case senario, go another direction.
what i am saying is that Nirankar gives uncountable opportunities to everyone. You can chose to do it or not. He just give you the direction to the the truth and reality.
Those saints who taken the divine knowledge and have left the mission may have had reasons in doing it. For example, location, language, work or in some case senarios, family opinions. And the truth is, easy way or hard way, we all will come across him personally one way or another in our life time and we Will accept him. Either in the beginning, in the mid or in the last case senario, in the end.
So to answer your question,its the will of nirankar that everyone be given a chance to knw the truth. Be it one time or be it a 100th time. His will is that we constantly guide our fellow saints to the right direction and let them enjoy his blessings.
"So, my question is, in this case also there is will of Nirankar?"
If i said anything wrong
ples forgive me
jaidev nanwani
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:53:36 +0530From: nisha.gulwani@gmail.com
Subject: [Divine Souls:0] Will of Nirankar
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Dhan Nirankar jiAs it is said that whatever happens its always according to will of Nirankar. Today morning while travelling to my office I was reading Sant Nirankar magazine of April month, there was an article "Retrieving the lost sheep" by Rev. C.L Gulathi ji in which he has talked about bringing back those saints who have left Mission even after taking divine knowledge.So, my question is, in this case also there is will of Nirankar?
Please guide me by your spiritual thoughtsNishaAgra
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