happening as per His will, then why is man held responsible for his
actions? Why is man punished for the same?"
While accompanying Gurudev during the walk, 'Bekal' Ji started an
interesting discussion with Satgurudev.
He said to Gurudev, "Baba Ji, I do not understand one point; when God
is the doer behind every action and everything is happening as per His
will, then why is man held responsible for his actions? Why is man
punished for the same?"
Smilingly, Gurudev said, "You have asked quite a few questions in a
single attempt. God is the doer behind everything or everything
happens with God's will; these two are quite different from each
other. Then man is not punished only but he is rewarded and honoured
too. You did not mention this."
After pausing for sometime, Gurudev explained, "There is a need to
think and analyse deeply to understand these questions. God Nirankar
is Omniscient. His will, His command is His law. According to His
will, man is free to do whatever he wants. Man can perform all his
actions because of this freedom that God has given to him. That is
why, whatever is happening, is within the will of God.
The fruit of every action has also been ordained by God. So according
to whatever a man does, he reaps the respective fruit of those actions
under the same will of God. Or you can say that a man has the freedom
to act as per the will of God and he also gets rewarded or punished as
per the will of God".
Trying to explain with the help of an example, Gurudev said, "We know
that to understand a book, we need to know the language in which that
book is written. Or we can also say that we read the book only because
of the knowledge of that language. But we are free to choose what we
want to read. The knowledge of the language does not interfere with
our choice of books."
Q2: It means that God does not do anything."
When Gurudev paused after saying this much, 'Bekal' Ji said again,
"Baba Ji! It means that God does not do anything."
"Yes, God is non-doer, but also the doer," Gurudev said. I had been
thoroughly enjoying the intellectual discussion on such a deep
subject. Gurudev stated further, "In reality, God is a Supreme Energy,
a super conscious force. A force which is pervading each and every
particle of the universe in such a manner that not even a single leaf
can move without it. The will of this Supreme Being is also as
immovable and impartial as He Himself. That is why the freedom
bestowed upon an individual under God's will is not obstructed in any
way by God Himself. Therefore, God is non-doer while being a doer."
Q3: When God is a Conscious Energy then why does He not stop us from
doing evil?"
After this explanation by Baba Ji, 'Bekal' Ji asked Gurudev another
question, "Baba Ji! When God is a Conscious Energy then why does He
not stop us from doing evil?"
Gurudev continued to explain with a natural flow, "As you know, the
scientists have proved today that energy never does anything on its
own even though nothing is performed without it. The instrument which
is connected to the energy is the one which operates. For example,
electricity is an energy. It does not function on its own; but when we
connect it to a heater, it starts giving heat and by connecting a
cooler with it, we start getting cool air. The heat, light or the
coolness does not depend upon the electricity but on the instrument
connected to it. Even though the instruments run with electricity, yet
it does not interfere with the way the instruments are using it.
Electricity is the same in all the instruments. What do you want?
Should electricity agree to give coolness but refuse to produce heat?
It cannot happen. In the same manner this Conscious Energy also
operates. It does not act on its own; the living being (Jeeva)
connected with it like an instrument, performs various acts under the
influence of his own subtle agents like mind, intellect, consciousness
and ego etc.
The living being gets its life force from the same Conscious Energy
but at the same time this Super Energy does not interfere with the way
the being uses it according to his own individual traits and free-
will. The being also gets the fruits of all his actions according to
the will of the Almighty Nirankar. Because of the freedom of action
decreed by Divine Will, this Supreme Force does not stop us from
performing any act."
All three of us continued with our walk after Gurudev became quiet. I
felt that 'Bekal' Ji was still doubtful about something. Trying to
probe what he was thinking, I said, "So, 'Bekal' Ji! What are you
thinking?"
Q4: I am still confused on one point. God-realised ones are considered
to be free from the fruit of their actions; does Divine Will not apply
on them?"
'Bekal' Ji addressed me and said, "Baba Ji has clarified everything,
but I am still confused on one point. God-realised ones are considered
to be free from the fruit of their actions; does Divine Will not apply
on them?"
I looked at Gurudev silently. Gurudev smiled and started saying, "It
is not like this. God's will is applicable to everyone. The one who is
a doer will definitely get the fruit of his action. But since a God-
realised person is devoid of the feeling of doership, he always stays
within the perimeter of divine will and since he has surrendered
everything to the Almighty Nirankar, he cannot be bound by the bondage
of the fruit of his actions. For example, if a person hits someone
with a baton, then it is not the baton which is going to be challaned
or punished. Similarly, the baton would also not be rewarded if
somebody saves a person with its help. The one who performs his
actions considering himself to be the doer, would definitely be bound
by his actions."
Thus speaking, Gurudev became quiet. After walking for sometime,
Gurudev resumed talking once again and stated, "A God-realised person
is linked with Nirankar, he has already surrendered his everything to
Nirankar; so he performs all his acts within the will of God. God's
will is always kind and benevolent for everyone. Therefore, the
actions of a God-realised person too are always virtuous and kind. As
long as he is linked with Nirankar, he cannot do any evil action and
the moment he commits anything evil, then one may know that he is not
linked with Nirankar; that action has sprouted from his own ego and
even a God-realised person will have to reap the fruit of such an
action." My heart was feeling extremely elated after listening to such
a lucid and wise explanation of such a subtle topic. 'Bekal' Ji also
appeared to be fully satisfied.
From: tina rai
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:08 PM
To: Manisha
Subject: Re: [Divine Souls:4155] Beautiful conversation between Baba
ji and a Saint on 'Freedom of Karma'
Dhan Nirankar ji
Could someone kindly please translate this into English?
Much appreciated
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